Talk:Emmylou Harris

Why is there an old picture ?

When I watched the Wiki article on Emmylou Harris, I thought to myself: Why has the admin chosen such an old picture of her ? Though Emmylou is almost 60 years old, she is still a beautiful woman. So why not replace an old picture of a young woman by a new picture of an old woman ? Her age does not lessen her beauty.

Hans Rosenthal (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ )

Admins don't have any special authority to choose photos. Feel free to upload any photo that is freely-licensed (see Wikipedia:Copyrights) or used under the principle of fair use. We should have photos of Harris at a number of different ages, both young and old. Tuf-Kat 01:06, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Now there is a picture of Emmylou Harris (2005 Promotional photograph courtesy of Wolftrap) in this article (at the bottom). I am greateful for this. Her face and voice look and sound more and more attractive to me. Hans Rosenthal (ROHA) (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) (22122005)

To truly do Emmylou justice, we need a photo from Wrecking Ball to Red Dirt Girl era.

The picture of Emmylou Harris is now at the top of this Wikipedia article, where it belongs to. Thank you, who ever shifted her picture to its appropriate place. Hans Rosenthal (ROHA) (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) (12102006)

Other appearances

That section is huge. Can someone who knows more about her work trim that, or is it possibly better to remove it entirely? --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone recently alphabetized it, which makes it a little less cumbersome. Trimming doesn't seem possible because any deletions would have to be more or less arbitrary. It is not yet complete, of course; Ms. Harris's collaborations are many. Unless you think it's unencyclopedic or something, I'd suggest leaving it. Rivertorch 15:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe a new article, like, "Emmylou Harris discography," might be of use? This is way too much for this article as it stands, I think. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking at the articles for some other singer-songwriters. The Emmylou Harris article's body is relatively short in comparison to its discography, so maybe it seems a little unbalanced. I'm sure the body could be expanded. As for the discography section itself, it's actually quite short compared to those of certain other articles. I have no objection to its being moved to a separate page, but I wonder if you could specify more exactly why you think that's desirable? Also, just for context, check out pages for Leonard_Cohen, Willie_Nelson, Merle_Haggard, and Linda_Ronstadt . . . and then Bob_Dylan. Is the Dylan method preferable, do you think? Keeping in mind, of course, that the whole Wikipedia should reflect the way we do it here . . . Rivertorch 23:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a written standard on this, but I think in situtions like this, Willie Nelson, etc, that the Bob Dylan method is much more preferable. Especially since we know there's plenty of room for expansion here, it's a logical move. --badlydrawnjeff talk 04:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The track "Wild Montana Skies" appeared originally on John Denver's album "World Game" (the title track features The I-Threes and The Wailers). "Wild Montana Skies" is a duet with John Denver. The song was also released on "Duets".

Note: Emmy Lou Harris and Rodney Crowell will head-line the first day of Fairport Convention's Annual Festival on August 13th, 2015. This concert will last three days until the 15th. The location is an English Civil War battle-field in the village of Cropredy which is in Oxfordshire, UK. Please see Fairport Convention web-site, |- | "Oh My Sweet Carolina" | Ryan Adams | vocals | Ryan Adams | 4:55 | Ethan Jones | Heartbreaker by Ryan Adams | 2000 | |- | "The Waltz You Saved for Me" | John Anderson | vocals | Flindt, Kahn, King | 2:45 | | Wild & Blue by John Anderson | 1982 | |- | "The Wayward Wind" | Lynn Anderson | harmony vocals | Lebowsky, Newman | 3:26 | | Cowboy's Sweetheart by Lynn Anderson | 1992 | |- | "The Last Time" | Tom Astor | vocals | | | | Meilenstein by Tom Astor | 1998 | |- | "Dreaming My Dreams" | Mike Auldridge | vocals | Reynolds | 3:01 | | Mike Auldridge by Mike Auldridge | 1976 | |- | "Appalachian Rain" | Matraca Berg | vocals | Matraca Berg, Samoset | 3:43 | | Lying to the Moon by Matraca Berg | 1990 | |- | "Only a Woman's Heart" | Mary Black | vocals | Eleanor McEvoy | 3:47 | | Looking Back by Mary Black | 1995 | |- | "Grey Funnel Line" | Mary Black, Dolores Keane | vocals | | 6:53 | Donal Lunny | Bringing It All Back Home, Vol. 2 by various artists | 1999 | |- | "Sonny" | Mary Black, Dolores Keane | vocals | | 4:14 | Donal Lunny | Bringing It All Back Home, Vol. 1 by various artists | 1998 | |- | "Nobody's" | David Bromberg | vocals | White | 4:58 | Brian Ahern, Bernie Leadon | Midnight on the Water by David Bromberg | 1975 | |- | "Send Me an Angel" | Cindy Bullens | vocals | Cindy Bullens | 4:35 | Cindy Bullens | Neverland by Cindy Bullens | 2001 | |- |}

Looks great! It will fit perfecty on the new Discography page, which I might actually get around to creating this week if no one beats me to it (hint hint, please beat me to it!), and I think a similar format would work well for the rest of the new page, as well. Rivertorch 04:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It occurs to me that the Contribution column may prove problematic. In almost every case, her contribution is a vocal (should be a handful out of hundreds that are vocal + acoustic guitar) , and there may be endless debate over what constitutes duet vocals vs. harmony vocals. We could probably live without this column, but it doesn't bother me. I like the Producer column; that's cool. Rivertorch 04:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

What about separate lists for harmony vs lead vs unverified contribution? My thought is that there are a number of Emmylou appearances where the only way you know she's there is because the liner notes say so. I'd like a way to distinguish between substantial and other appearances. Ditching the contribution column is probably a good idea. Thoughts? Rubioblanca 14:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Created the Emmylou Harris discography article (someone was begging and I had a moment of weakness). Marked with template:underconstruction. I haven't deleted anything from this article yet. Modeled on the Bob Dylan discography. Help! Rubioblanca 15:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Good start! I went ahead and split the discography content out and added a main article link and also changed the template links to point to the new list. The chart coding is commented out for the time being until somebody (not me) wants to fill in the charts. I'd suggest that further talk about the discography development take place at Talk:Emmylou Harris discography. — WiseKwai 16:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks to you both. I'm looking forward to adding to the new page. Re contribution column: I agree in theory about noting "substantial" appearances, but in practice where to draw the line? It's quite subjective. Better to ditch it. Rivertorch 17:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC) (aka The Beggar).

References

Merger proposal

I have placed merger tags, proposing that The Hot Band article be merged into the section, Emmylou Harris#The Reprise Years. Please discuss the proposal below. Thanks. — WiseKwai 19:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support merger - There is little information in The Hot Band article and it could easily be absorbed into the section of the Emmylou Harris article dealing with that era of her career. Additionally, there are few links to the Hot Band article, so the merge would cause little harm. Still, because there was at least one other Hot Band that existed at one time I believe that making The Hot Band page a disambiguation page would be a fair solution. — WiseKwai 19:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support merger - As per Wisekwai. Does/did The Hot Band have an existence away from Emmylou? Rubioblanca 22:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Harris' Hot Band didn't perform as a unit away from her, but there was another, unrelated Hot Band, earlier, in the UK, which is why The Hot Band page would become a disambiguation.— WiseKwai 09:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support merger - My only qualm is the title the section already has: The Reprise Years. Some of the albums of those years were Reprise, some were on the main Warner Brothers label. I should have noticed that before. Rivertorch 03:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've changed the header to hopefully a more acceptable and general title "Solo artist and bandleader". Anyway, in retrospect, "The Reprise Years" sounds like a record company anthology title. — WiseKwai 08:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The merger is now complete. — WiseKwai 22:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. I began the stub but found sparse information on the Hot Band and feel that they deserve mention, but Emmylou's page is the place. --leahtwosaints (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

--leahtwosaints (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge again?

Looking at the history of this page and Hot Band, I think there may be some confusion. The Hot Band was merged into "Emmylou" in October (it is now a disamb page). But Hot Band was then created anew in November. This latter was proposed for speedy deletion, but Leah said she wanted time to work on it. So, Leah, do you still wish to expand Hot Band or do you agree to another merge-in? Hult041956 (talk) 20:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

6 Nov. edits (Steve Earle)

Rather than moving this additional info to the logical place in the article, I am reverting it. By my count, in 2004 Emmylou collaborated on seven other artists' songs besides the one on The Revolution Starts Now. In the absence of evidence that this collaboration was particularly noteworthy, it seems inappropriate to single it out in the article proper. It is, of course, in the new and wonderful discography. Rivertorch 06:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Emmylou & Arlo video

(Supplied a section header only. Hult041956 (talk ) 20:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)) (& fixed typo) Hult041956 (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• • Just out of curiosity, there's a video of Emmylou with Arlo Guthrie singing Deportees by Woody Guthrie with a note that it came from Shared Version (Shared VISION?) on You Tube. Here it is for those interested: [1] I certainly wouldn't use anything from You Tube with it's flagrant copyright violations and temporary videos, but thought perhaps there's a place for this collaboration.

and speaking of video collaborations; where is her Transatlantic Sessions video mentioned? There are videos on YouTube, which chronicle her appearances in those Bluegrass meets Irish traditional jam sessions. Cat, who was just stopping by... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.192.207 (talk) 14:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If it was an official release, the place to note it is Emmylou_Harris_discography#Video_and_film. Rivertorch (talk) 19:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Emmylou Harris

An anonymous editor added Bob Dylan's Desire album to the "Collaborations" section of Template:Emmylou Harris:

23:10, 9 July 2008 84.148.76.189 (Talk) (2,581 bytes) (ROHA: Added a very important collaboration: with Bob Dylan on his album "Desire", on which Harris backs on most of the songs.)

Although Ms. Harris' background and duet vocals are prominent on Desire, her contributions do not rise to the level of a collaboration. Desire is not a "Bob Dylan and Emmylou Harris" album; it is a Bob Dylan album.

I would have edited the template, but the change occurred five weeks ago; I'll therefore solicit comments first.

GrouchyDan (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC) (Dan)

Agree, it's not a collaboration in the sense we're using the term here. While you're at it, please check out Collaborations on the discography page and see what you think about the Carl Jackson entries. Rabid fan that I am, I've never gotten around to those, so I don't know if they qualify. Rivertorch (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I Agree too. If you were to make a template with every duet & harmony by Harris you'd have a really big template. -MrFizyx (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Emmylou Harris Biography/With Gram Parsons: horrendously written

The second paragraph (and perhaps the remainder) of the Emmylou Harris: Biography: With Gram Parsons subsection is excellently intended but horrendously written, in my humble opinion. This part of the article used to be unremarkable (a good thing), I thought.

I've come across many Wikipedia articles with fancy, highlit, shouting messages either at an article's top or in an article's subsection that scream to the world "What you're about to read is defective because of A; you can fix it by doing B" et cetera.

I've never tried to figure out how to paste one of those admonitory billboards into an article; I won't because of this issue; I'll just labor to author a fitting replacement to the relevant part of the article.

Unless someone else beats me to the punch or dissuades me. (Do YOU think the article section is critically flawed?)

GrouchyDan (talk) 02:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, apparently no one agrees with me. Nonetheless, I've finally made an initial stab at rewriting the second half of the section; I deleted all the text that surrounded the "...drew a crossover of listeners..." because it pertained more to Emmylou's accomplishments during the first part of her solo career than it did to her actual time with Gram. GrouchyDan (talk) 10:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I realize that this section, as well as most of the article, needs some inline citations; I promise to add them soon for this section (note that there weren't any prior to my edit). GrouchyDan (talk) 10:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Country??

The very first line of the article says that she's a country artist. Obviously, this isn't wrong. But in two senses it is misleading.

For one thing the core audience for Nashville top-forty country is not that enthusiastic about Emmylou being a country artist. Opinion is divided and some commentators are quite definite about this. Certainly she has been succesful on the country charts and every country artist that I have ever heard praises her and wants to record with her. There is a significant sector of country fandom that rejects anyone whose work isn't one hundred percent country, narrowly defined, almost all the time. This leads to my second, and much more serious, objection to the label 'country' for Emmylou.

Ms. Harris has been succesful in almost every sub-genre of popular music except metal and rap/hip-hop. Her musical horizons are limitless. She started out as a folk musician and has done many songs that were rock or pop. That she adds a country "flavor" to these songs is indisputable but she does a lot more than country. Her performance of songs by Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, among others, is one of the reasons that Nashville top-forty fans deny her a country status. More importantly, they show her to be more than a country singer. She is beyond genre, a perfect angel. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Everything you say is true, and calling her a country singer in the lead sentence runs the risk of overemphasizing her commercial success at the expense of her overall artistry. The policy on verifiability, however, suggests we should go with the way that she's usually described by reliable sources. Unfortunately, I suspect that may be "country", but it would be helpful if you could provide evidence to the contrary. Rivertorch (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Artists mentioned in infobox and lede

I made the following changes to the "associated acts" portion of the infobox:

• removed Spyboy and Nash Ramblers because they were (among) Harris's backing bands and not acts with their own identity apart from hers;
• added several artists with an extensive history of collaboration with Harris (both on her records and on theirs);
• added several artists whose duets with Harris resulted in hit singles;
• did not remove any other artists, even though this list cannot possibly be comprehensive and there are probably some one-off faves there inserted by various editors;
• alphabetized the list (including even Gram Parsons) for simplicity's sake and to make it easier to maintain.

I also changed the artists mentioned in the lead paragraph, placing them in descending order based on the number of entire albums and the number of recorded songs they've collaborated on with Harris. (This was a rough count; I may have erred.) Without a doubt, there are notable artists that were removed in this edit, but (1) they're now in the infobox and (2) given the number of artists Harris has worked with, there really needs to be a cutoff or it just gets bloated. It was my hope to do this rationally, with a quantitative methodology, but I may have missed something on the qualitative side. Rivertorch (talk) 09:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Biased

Reading the section on Gram Parsons and Harris, I was amazed at how biased the phrasing was and I also noticed that there were no citations in this section. Can't any of this be backed up? Most curious is how the author seems to know what Harris is feeling. How is that possible? Perhaps she expressed herself somewhere in an interview? There are too many points here that scream for verification. According to the Wikipedia's assessment standards, this article shouldn't be a B-rated article. (This has nothing to do with my views about Harris or Parsons. I am just an average reader who was perusing it for pleasure while listening to her music.)Crtew (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

work with Bright Eyes

I realize that the list of collaborators at the beginning of the article was not intended to be a "laundry list", but she played a pretty significant role in I'm Wide Awake It's Morning and I think it deserves a nod in this list. Why, exactly, does the inclusion of Bright Eyes always get yanked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.207.209 (talk) 07:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The link Bright Eyes goes nowhere, so I will assume you are refering to Bright Eyes (band). The problem will be that if we include BE we have to include the next collaborator, and then other, and then other. We can't include every collaboration she has had in her 42-year musical career, just the notable ones, why the work they did is as notbale as Dolly Parton or Linda Ronstadt?. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 07:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Hear, hear. She is one of the most prolific musical collaborators around, and it makes things unmanageable if we don't be strict about this. I had a rationale in my head when I wrote the commented-out note and trimmed the list way back when—can't really remember exactly now, and am too full of pre-holiday cheer to bother much, but it seemed to me that at a bare minimum inclusion should require at least one of the following: (1) single that charted; (2) co-billing on an album; (3) appearance on multiple tracks on at least two albums; (4) multiple songwriting collaborations. Maybe we should codify this into an FAQ or something in the not-too-distant future. Rivertorch (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Another criterion that probably would suffice would be people who are past members of one of her bands and are über-notable in their own right (e.g., Rodney Crowell). In any event, the list looks too long for me now. Rivertorch (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Emmylou Harris also did back up vocals with the Australian Band Midnight Oil on their 1996/7 Breathe album.Cambo70 (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Cameron Barnes

Thanks, but I trust you don't want that in the article. The artists with whom she has sung backup number in the three digits. Rivertorch (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Grammy Nomination Additions

Hello, Thanks to whoever put together the list of Grammy nominations and wins. I don't want to mess up that nice chart, so I'll ask someone who's more adept at editing cells to add the following seven Grammy nominations. There may be others, but I was able to locate these.

• 1977, Pop Female Vocal Performance, Here, There and Everywhere - *1988, Album of the Year, Trio (with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt) - *1999, Contemporary Folk Album, Spyboy - *2001, Contemporary Folk Album, Western Wall: The Tuscon Sessions (with Linda Ronstadt) - *2004, Contemporary Folk Album, Stumble Into Grace - *2007, Contemporary Folk Album, All The Roadrunning (with Mark Knopfler) - *2008, Contemporary Folk Album, All I Intended To Be - Also, please correct dates: 1984 nomination for Last Date is correct, but win for In My Dreams was 1985 http://www.awardsandshows.com/features/grammy-awards-1985-233.html.

Thanks HollyAngel (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I think I was able to make the corrections on the Grammy list. Thx. Madachmime (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Emmylou Harris/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: ChrisTofu11961 (talk · contribs) 17:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Reviewer: Tbhotch (talk · contribs) 19:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Upcoming review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality (prose is clear and concise, without exceeding quotations, or spelling and grammar errors):

   Multiple phrases can be shortened, summarized or merged with other ones.

   B. MoS compliance (including, but not limited to: lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists):

   Some basic errors with weasel vagueness

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources (including an appropriate reference section):

   Some sources are deadlinks

   B. Citation of available and reliable sources where necessary (including direct quotations):

   Where necessary

   C. No original research:

   Some statements are not immediately said in the cited sources

   D. No copyright violations:

   Earwig reports too many issues due to the overuse of quotes. I attempted to reduce the quotes by removing them and the report still has a high percentage caused by the proper nouns, like album titles and awards. This cannot be fixed or paraphrased and omitting those names is incorrect.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   The article includes relevant information required in a biography

   B. Focused:

   The article doesn't divert to trivialities and remains focused on Harris's life

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Occasional unattributed vagueness that causes unnecessary flattery to a popular artist.

5. Is it stable?

   edit wars, multiple edits not related to the GAN process, etc. (this excludes blatant vandalism):

   No issues

6. Does it contain images (or other media) to illustrate (or support) the topic?

   A. Images (and other media) are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   The images are correctly tagged and there are no immediate copyright violations or any reason to assume their uploaders / authors are violating third parties

   B. Images (and other media) are provided where possible and are relevant, with suitable captions:

   The images are relevant and added in the correct sections.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Lead

• "A highly regarded figure in contemporary music" → WP:WEASEL
• "Harris is considered one of the leading music artists behind the country rock genre" → Weasel. You can refer to Madonna or Lady Gaga, or others, to see how this is solved with prominent artists
• "an interest in folk music in her early years which led to her performing" → "an interest in folk music in her early years, which led to her performing"
• "Moving to New York City in the 1960s," → "After moving to New York City in the 1960s,"
• "Follow-up 1970s albums further elevated Harris' career such as" → "Follow-up 1970s albums further elevated Harris' career, such as"
• "she had acquired four number one songs" → "she had acquired four number-one songs"
• "Her backing group The Hot Band" → "Her backing group, the Hot Band," (MOS:THEMUSIC)
• "album was also a critical success that spawned four top ten singles." → "album was also a critical success that spawned four top-ten singles."
• "several albums of self-composed material like" → "several albums of self-composed material, like"
• "placed 27 singles into the" → "placed 27 singles in the"

• • @Tbhotch: I just started this section, will probably finish everything early next week! ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks. Any comments, let me know. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 06:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Early life

• "Harris was born in Birmingham, Alabama in 1947" → "Harris was born in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1947"
• "Her father was a Marine Corps officer." → too short, you can merge it
• "he was taken as a Prisoner of War" → it is not a proper title
• "Cherry Point, North Carolina and" → "Cherry Point, North Carolina, and"
• "She also helped form a folk music duo called The Emerald City" → "She also helped form a folk music duo called the Emerald City"
• "Harris briefly moved to Virginia Beach where" → "Harris briefly moved to Virginia Beach, where"
• "where she worked as a waitress and sang" → Did you mean singer?
• "New York City's Greenwich Village neighborhood where" → "New York City's Greenwich Village neighborhood, where"
• "Her original intention was to become an actress" → "Her first goal was to become an actress", or something simpler
• "In 1969, Harris married for the first time and soon gave birth to her first child" → You can mention Tom here and use his last name subsequently.

• • @Tbhotch: Section is done ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

1969–1974

• "She worked several notable Greenwich Village clubs," → "She worked at several notable Greenwich Village clubs,"
• "her debut studio album Gliding Bird in 1970" → "her debut studio album, Gliding Bird, in 1970
• "along with one penned by her first husband Tom Slocum." → "along with one penned by her first husband, Tom Slocum."
• "Harris attempted to support herself and her daughter by working as waitress." → "Harris attempted to support herself and her daughter by working as a waitress."
• "Ultimately, she returned to live with her parents who had settled in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Clarksville, Maryland" → "Ultimately, she went back to live with her parents in the Maryland suburb of Clarksville, near Washington, D.C."
• "following performing at clubs in Washington, D.C." → "following performing at clubs in Washington, D.C.,"
• "Parsons' friends were discussing Harris at a Washington D.C." → "Parsons' friends were discussing Harris at a Washington, D.C.,"
• "At the time singer-songwriter Gram Parsons (formerly of The Byrds and the Flying Burrito Brothers who was establishing a solo career)" → "At the time, singer-songwriter Gram Parsons (formerly of the Byrds and the Flying Burrito Brothers, who was establishing a solo career)
  • "The Byrds" is the formal name of the group not the "Byrds"
    • So are The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The xx, The The, The Doors, The Doobie Brothers, and you can refer to their articles' prose. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
      • I didn't know that was a thing, thanks.
• "One year later, he sent her a plane ticket to Los Angeles, California, where she recorded harmony vocals for his debut album, G.P."

• The album is titled GP (album), not G.P.

• "Harris also toured as a member of Parsons's band (the Fallen Angels) in 1973, and vocal harmonies and duets with him." → "Harris also toured as a member of Parsons's band (the Fallen Angels) in 1973, and performed vocal harmonies and duets with him."
• "and had fascination with classic country music." → "and had a fascination with classic country music."
• "His passion for the genre was influential to Harris and she soon was learning about the country genre" → "His passion for the genre was influential on Harris and she soon learned about the country genre"
• "Parsons' next album titled Grievous Angel." → "Parsons' next album, titled Grievous Angel.
• "died of a drug and alcohol overdose in a hotel room" → he died from
• "One more album of recorded material from that period was packaged as Live 1973, but was not released until 1982" → wrong comma
• Not required, but there is a file when she studied at UNCG, File:Emmylou Harris (Miranda) Dr. Arthur Dixon (Prospero) UNC-G Theater 1966.jpg

• @ChrisTofu11961: I'm going to pause at the moment and I'll continue tonight/tomorrow. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  • This section is now done too

1975–1980

• "Although devastated by Gram Parsons' death,[23] Harris continued on as a solo artist → Could you please reword it so it doesn't sound dramatic?
  • How about the word "affected" instead of "devastated"?
    • Okay.
• "She made a decision" → She decided
• "The pair would later marry in 1977" → Too short, you can merge it
• "She contacted Canadian-based producer Brian Ahern who had" → "She contacted Canadian-based producer Brian Ahern, who had"
• "Impressed by her, Ahern agreed to producing Harris." → "Impressed by her, Ahern agreed to produce Harris."
• Photo: "Harris in 1976." → Harris in 1976
• "It featured covers of songs by The Beatles" → MOS:THEMUSIC
• "Its second single "If I Could Only Win Your Love"" → "Its second single, "If I Could Only Win Your Love","
• "The disc's covers of Buck Owens's "Together Again" and Patsy Cline's "Sweet Dreams"" → "Sweet Dreams" is a Don Gibson song
  • Patsy Cline's is often considered the most notable and highest-charting, but I'll agree to disagree here.
• "the project called The Hot Band." → MOS:THEMUSIC
• "Along with being commercially successful, Harris' albums received praise and recognition" → Harris' albums received critical and commercial success.
• "found Pieces of the Sky to have "many brilliant songs"[33] Jason Ankeny" → ...songs",[33] Jason Ankeny"
• "Jason Ankeny of AllMusic found" → you used found already
• "to Gram Parsons with "eclectic" covers" → "to Parsons with "eclectic" covers"
• "both LP's" → wrong possessive
• "when both LP's are played "front to back" it → "when both LP's are played "front to back", it
• "Additionally, both LP's" → wrong possessive
• "Additionally, both LP's would certify gold in the United States for selling over half a million copies each" → If it occurred, "Additionally, both LPs were certified gold in the United States for selling over half a million copies each"
• "both traditional country cover tunes along with new material" → "both traditional country cover tunes and new material"
• "issued her fourth album Luxury Liner," → "issued her fourth album, Luxury Liner,"
• "which was her second number one American country album" → "which was her second number-one American country album"
• "It also was her second to make the top 20" → "It was also her second album to make the top 20"
• "which was considered to have "over-careful production"." → by whom?
• "It was a top ten disc" → "It was a top-ten disc".
• "the number two position of the country charts" → on the country charts
• "Harris' new bluegrass sound was credited to new Hot Band member Ricky Skaggs," → "Harris' new bluegrass sound was credited to the new Hot Band member Ricky Skaggs,"
  • this section is done

1981–1990

• "Her next studio album Cimarron (1981)" → Her next studio album, Cimarron (1981),
• "top ten and US all-genre top 50" → "top ten and the US all-genre top 50"
• "Harris and the Hot Band recorded her first live album titled Last Date" → "Harris and the Hot Band recorded her first live album titled, Last Date"
• "and was followed by the top five single" → "and was followed by the top-five single"
• "Harris' final album under Brian Ahern's production was released in 1983 called White Shoes." → "Harris' final album under Ahern's production was released in 1983, called White Shoes."
• "The pair also divorced" → Too short, so you can merge it.
  • I put it in parentheses, it did not fit into any sentence neatly.
• "The disc featured a collection of songs Harris covered by other artists." → The by here sounds weird because she covered them.
• "Harris then relocated to Nashville where" → "Harris then relocated to Nashville, where"
• "The Ballad of Sally Rose was loosely based" → "the record was loosely based"
• "In 1986, Warner Bros. released her next studio album titled Thirteen." → "In 1986, Warner Bros. released her next studio album, Thirteen."
• "with comparisons draw to 1980's" → "with comparisons drawn to 1980's"
• "However the album proved to be less successful" → "However, the album proved to be less successful"
• "and was album of gospel material." → "and was an album of gospel material."
• "Rolling Stone described it as a "solid but low key" gospel project." → If Rolling Stone described it as such, the sentence reads as "solid but low key gospel project" and it needs a hyphen at "low-key". So "Rolling Stone described it as a "solid but [low-key]" gospel project."
• "record the studio album Trio." → "record the studio album, Trio."
• "Trio reached the number one" → "Trio reached number one"
• Photo: "In the middle 1980s, Harris collaborated alongside friends Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt to record the album Trio. The album was critically acclaimed and a commercial success." → Indicate who is who
• "In 1989, Warner Bros. released the solo album Bluebird. It included material penned by songwriters Kate McGarrigle, Anna McGarrigle, along with two songs penned by Harris herself" → "In 1989, Warner Bros. released the solo album Bluebird. It included material penned by songwriters Kate McGarrigle and Anna McGarrigle, and two songs penned by Harris herself."
• "Considered a country rock effort" → by whom
• "Bluebird peaked in the top 20 of both the US and Canadian country charts" → "The album peaked in the top 20 of both the US and Canadian country charts"
• "Its lead single "Heartbreak Hill" returned" → "Its lead single, "Heartbreak Hill", returned"
• "the top 20 single "Heaven Only Knows" → "the top 20 single, "Heaven Only Knows""
• "Her final studio album with Warner Bros. was released in 1990 titled Brand New Dance." → "Her final studio album with Warner Bros. was released in 1990, titled Brand New Dance."
• "It was categorized as an "uninspired misfire" from Rolling Stone" → "It was categorized as an "uninspired misfire" by Rolling Stone"
• AllMusic is linked twice and it was already linked at the 1975–1980 section
• "Trio featured Harris, Parton and Ronstadt signing together" → typo
  • this section is now done

1991–1999

• "Al Perkins playing banjo and guitar and Jon Randall" → "Al Perkins playing banjo and guitar, and Jon Randall"
• "the former site of the Grand Ole Opry which was becoming increasingly dilapidated" → "the former site of the Grand Ole Opry, which was becoming increasingly dilapidated"
• "The live disc was released in 1992 and titled At the Ryman" → "The live disc was released in 1992 and was titled At the Ryman"
• "The album was met with critical acclaim" → Too short, so you can merge it.
• "The album was said to bring renewed interest" → by whom?
• "Despite critical acclaim its singles" → "Despite critical acclaim, its singles"
• You can merge "Despite critical acclaim its singles received limited radio airplay. Two of its singles made the US and Canada country charts, but failed to make positions inside the top 40"
• "Asylum Records gave her musical freedom to record her next album" → "Asylum Records gave her the musical freedom to record her next album"
• "The disc was produced by Daniel Lanois who embedded" → "The disc was produced by Daniel Lanois, who embedded"
• "Its production has been considered influential" → by whom?
• "Although ignored by the country industry," → It topped UK's country chart [2]
  • in reference to airplay. I changed the wording
• "It was later given the Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Folk Album" → "It received"; and the sentence is too short, so it can be merged
• "Jason Ankeny of AllMusic called it "a hypnotic, staggeringly beautiful work" while Allison Hussey" → Jason Ankeny of AllMusic called it "a hypnotic, staggeringly beautiful work", while Allison Hussey
• "In 1998, Harris's third live album Spyboy was released" → "In 1998, Harris's third live album, Spyboy, was released"
• "It was recorded with Harris's new backing band which were also" → "It was recorded with Harris's new backing band, which were also"
• "Although the project was completed in 1994, it took five years to be released" → Missing period
• "It also went on to certify gold in the United States" → Too short, merge it
• "Time called the disc "an angelic encounter" while" → "Time called the disc "an angelic encounter", while"
• "Best Country Collaboration with Vocals accolade from the Grammy's." → Wrong possessive
  • section is done

2000–2011

• "2000–2011: From song interpreter to singer–songwriter" → why it uses an en dash rather than a hyphen?
  • yeah it did look weird I changed it
• Around 2000, Harris parted ways → MOS:EUPHEMISM
  • I changed the phrasing
• "her first solo studio album in five years called Red Dirt Girl." → "her first solo studio album in five years, called Red Dirt Girl."
• "that featured most self-written recordings" → "that featured the most self-written recordings"
  • mostly self-written recordings
• " of O Brother, Where Art Thou? which won" → "O Brother, Where Art Thou?, which won a"
• "Allmusic commented that" → It is AllMusic and it was Mark Deming
• "spent seven years writing and recording songs which" → "spent seven years writing and recording songs, which"
• "their collaborative studio effort All the Roadrunning" → "their collaborative studio effort, All the Roadrunning"
• "their recordings could work as duets for a collaborative album together." → Duet, collaboration and together imply the same; this need to be reworded
• "It featured ex-collaborator and husband Brian Ahern producing the project". → Ahern was already introduced, so you don't need to reintroduce him.
• "her song "Boulder to Birmingham" with rock group The Fray." → MOS:THEMUSIC and "the rock"
• "In 2010, Harris re-recorded her song "Boulder to Birmingham" with rock group The Fray. Their song was released as a single by Epic Records that year." → It can be merged
  • section is done

2012–present

• I honestly don't remember the guide, essay, whatever, but sections that go like this are discouraged, so please rework this section:

In 2012, content

In 2013, content

In 2014, content

• 2012 has three micro sentences that can be merged. Also "She recorded three songs that appeared"
• "Although an album of duets was" → "Although a duet album was"
• "The disc was produced by Brian Ahern." → Too short and Ahern is already known
• "It later won a Grammy award." → Too short and you can specify the award
• "It was followed in 2015 by the pair's second collaborative album The Traveling Kind." → "It was followed in 2015 by the pair's second collaborative album, The Traveling Kind."
• "It was a tribute to songwriters like" sentence can be merged with the former
• "It was given three out of five stars from Rolling Stone[106] and four out of five stars from American Songwriter. The Traveling Kind reached the top ten of the US country chart.[29]
  • not sure what you are asking here
    • I don't remember either.

• Also: "Rolling Stone awarded it three stars out of five"
• Also: by not from, unless you say receive

• "a publishing imprint of Penguin Books" → "a Penguin Books publishing imprint"
• "In 2021, Harris told Clash magazine that she is still writing her memoir." → "In 2021, Harris told Clash magazine that she was still writing her memoir."
• "In 2021, Nonesuch Records released the live disc Ramble in Music City: The Lost Concert. It was recorded with The Nash Ramblers in 1990 but was shelved until 2021" Both sentences can be merged; also, MOS:THEMUSIC
• You use "In 2021" thrice in this paragraph
• "However, she continues to perform and play shows" is sourced to a primary source
  • this is in reference to her tour dates which are available online and should suffice as evidence of the fact that she still tours.

I'm going to pause at the moment and I'll continue tomorrow. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 04:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• • @Tbhotch: I'm halfway through your edits. I will finish tomorrow. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 21:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Influences

• "Another significant influence was Joan Baez.[121] Harris recalled a "spiritual" connection to Baez's music." can be merged
• "Parsons exposed Harris to the music of The Louvin Brothers, Bill Monroe and George Jones." → MOS:THEMUSIC
  • not sure what you are asking here.
    • "of the Louvin Brothers"
      • Got it
• "Harris would hire Rodney Crowell to join her band when she became a solo act. Crowell came from a traditional country background in Texas. She credited Crowell for helping further develop her artistry in the country field." Crowell, Crowell, Crowell. This can be summarized.

Musical styles

• Harris has been largely identified with the country rock musical style → by whom?
• Photo: "Harris performing onstage in Seattle, Washington in collaboration with Phil Madeira and Ricky Simpkins, 2008." → "in Seattle, Washington, in collaboration"
• "a genre that is centered in roots music" → "a genre that is centered on roots music"
• "Harris' music has also been categorized" → by whom?
• "led Harris to be considered" → by whom?
• "Harris has since been given the moniker of the "Godmother of Americana"" → "Harris has since been given [by whom?] the moniker "Godmother of Americana""
• "Harris has also been identified by writers as a musician." → She is a singer, songwriter, and plays the guitar, which makes her a musician automatically. The immediate source says this only, "Country singer, songwriter and musician Emmylou Harris was born April 2, 1947, in Birmingham, Alabama.", so I don't see multiple writers acknowledging the obvious.
  • what about - "Harris's musicianship has also been discussed and spoken about"?
    • Okay.
• "This started with Harris' first backing group called The Hot Band" → " This started with Harris' first backing group called the Hot Band"
• "Sheryl Crow and numerous others" → "Sheryl Crow, and numerous others"

Vocals

• "Writers have characterized Harris' singing voice to be a soprano" → "Writers have characterized Harris' singing voice as that of a soprano."
• "Harris singing voice has also been described as being both "delicate" and "crystalline"" → It can be merged with the former sentence
• "Stephen Holden of The New York Times wrote "Emmylou" → Stephen Holden of The New York Times wrote, "Emmylou"
  • the artistry sections are done ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Legacy

• "Harris is also credited for influencing the Neotraditional country sub-genre that established in the 1980s and 1990s" → "Harris is also credited with influencing the Neotraditional country sub-genre that was established in the 1980s and 1990s"
• "Harris has also been regarded" → by whom?
• "Along with The Statler Brothers and Tom T. Hall" → MOS:THEMUSIC
  • The is part of the group's name. It has to stay.
    • If you'd like to discuss this, you can do it at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music
      • Now that I see what you mean, I changed it thanks!
• "Harris was presented the Cliffie Stone Pioneer Award." → "Harris was presented with the Cliffie Stone Pioneer Award."
• "The concert featured several of Harris's closest friends and collaborators including Rodney Crowell, Alison Krauss and Lucinda Williams" → "The concert featured several of Harris's closest friends and collaborators, including Rodney Crowell, Alison Krauss, and Lucinda Williams"
  • why the Oxford comma here?
    • Consistency
• "influencing the Neotraditional country sub-genre" → neotraditional is not a proper noun
• "Pam Tillis[165] Carrie Underwood[166]" missing commas
  • Done

Activism

• "The program started as a way to promote research around the humanities..." → You can merge this sentence; also "in the humanities"
• "establish a dog rescue which she named" → "establish a dog rescue, which she named"
• "To remember him, Harris decided to establish a dog rescue which she named Bonaparte's Retreat in honor of her pet. The rescue was created to save stray dogs from animal shelters and keep them until they found their "forever home". The rescue resides in the Nashville area and often rescues dogs that are taken from the Metro Nashville Animal Care and Control facility." → These three sentences can be merged into two.
  • how would you merge them? All three seem long and independent enough from one another to stay the way they are
    • To remember him, Harris decided to establish Bonaparte's Retreat, a dog rescue whose purpose was to save stray dogs from animal shelters and house them until they found their "forever home". The rescue resides in the Nashville area and often rescues dogs that are taken from the Metro Nashville Animal Care and Control facility.
      • Thanks for that! I added it

• "Harris helps raise funds for the program by creating concerts that sponsor the rescue. The rescue" → The rescue, the rescue

Personal life

• "but has called herself a" → "but she has called herself a"
• "her first daughter Hallie" → "her first daughter, Hallie"
• "Hallie spent a majority of her time" → "the majority" or simply most of her time
• "Harris wed her then-producer Brian Ahern." → married, also, you are missing a comma
• "her second child Meghann in 1979" → "her second child, Meghann, in 1979"
• "She has a granddaughter who was born in 2009, and a grandson who was born in 2012." → Wrong comma. The "who was" are not needed. Also, this sentence is too short for its own paragraph
  • If I merged these paragraphs, it would be one massive paragraph. The granddaughter part seems separate. It also has 5 sentences which suffices technically as a paragraph.

• • These sections are done ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 15:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright issues

• Earwwig reports a "42.2% Violation Possible" at worst because of a quote you used in the article coupled with other album titles and some common phrases that your text and their text use. This issue is not limited to two sources, but twenty-two of them are listed above 20%. Please, reduce the quotes used throughout.

I'll continue with the last section, references, tomorrow. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• • I found that I was heaviest on the quotes in the "musical styles" and "legacy" sections. So I removed as many as I could and paraphrased to the best of my ability. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 15:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Images

• The lead image is the only one with alt text.

References

• Source 2 (Universal Music Publishing Group) is a primary source since it is owner of Mercury Records
  • not sure what to do here it is already listed as such
    • Remove it or replace it. Record labels are not reliable for their acts' sales.
      • I removed it
• Source 5 (Billboard - "Emmylou Harris chart history (Country Songs)") leads to her Hot 100 page, not the country chart
  • updated
• Source 7 ("Finding Her Voice: Women in Country Music: 1800–2000.") leads to archive.org. That link is down due to a copyright violation. Please, remove the link
  • removed
• Source 10: "Harris also toured as a member of Parsons's band (the Fallen Angels) in 1973" → The source says, "Harris toured with Parsons' band, The Grievous Angels, until 1973." AllMusic says "the Fallen Angels"
  • changed
• Source 11: "Her older brother enjoyed country music and had an appreciation for the genre before his sister did" → The source only says, "Harris has recollected that her older brother liked country music much more than she did"

• The same issue at "Although exposed to country music from her brother"

• Source 16 (University of North Carolina at Greensboro), please, reduce the WP:ALLCAPS headline

• Also, the link is now at https://encyclopedia.uncg.edu/emmylou-harris/

• Source 18 (AllMusic) → "The label released her debut studio album Gliding Bird in 1970" → The source doesn't mention Jubilee
  • fixed
• Source 24 (Country Music Television) is a dead link
  • Weird. One year ago, this source DID exist and it is now gone. I updated it with another one.
    • Sources die without prior notice, so I highly recommend you archiving your links. You can archive them at the history ([3] / Fix dead links / Add archives to all non-dead references. It will run for a while as the tool needs to verify if the links work, if the links are archived already and to select the archives. The tool on top ("external links") includes the links to fix: [4]
• Source 25 (Encyclopedia of Southern Culture) is missing its author(s)
  • No author provided
    • I added them. --TB.
• Source 26 (The Washington Post) → |url-access=subscription
• Source 46 (University of Texas) is a dead link
• Source 49 (No Depression) doesn't mention an access date
  • added
• Source 51 (Exclaim) is a dead link
  • web archive works fine

• "Featuring compositions written by Harris herself, The Ballad of Sally Rose was loosely based on her own life and career" → The source says this: "Lows? There’ve been a few of those. I put out a record called The Ballad of Sally Rose [in 1985] — it was supposed to be my masterpiece. It was a huge commercial disaster. I started out with a big band and we played the record from start to finish, and by the time the reality of the financial burden came through, I had to strip down the band."
  • I added a new one. There is no credited author on the link it just says GG Staff.

• Source 55 (The New York Times) → ALLCAPS
  • Fixed

• Also |url-access=subscription

• Source 64 (Grand Ole Opry) doesn't mention her
  • yes it does, you missed it.
• Source 65 doesn't have an author
  • no author provided
    • I added it. --TB.
• Source 66 (Los Angeles Times): "Despite critical acclaim its singles received limited radio airplay". This source doesn't mention Cowgirl's Prayer
  • yes it does. Harris talks about the lack of attention paid to her from radio on the album.
• Source 67 (Los Angeles Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 70 (Los Angeles Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 71 (The Washington Post) → ALLCAPS, |url-access=registration
  • The headline is still shouting the reader
    • No longer shouting
• "Nonetheless, Trio II brought the three artists the Best Country Collaboration with Vocals accolade from the Grammy's" → No, it was After the Gold Rush (song)
• Source 74 (Billboard) → Page 57 is the one for the country chart; page 104 is the one for the Hot 200, please, add that page.
  • I added it. --TB.
• Source 79 (Billboard) goes to the Hot 100
  • Stumble into Grace? If that is what you mean it brought me directly to the correct page.
    • "Its single "I Don't Wanna Talk About It Now" was Harris' first to make the US Adult Alternative Airplay chart" and "Spawned from the disc was the single "This Is Us", which reached number five on the US Adult Alternative Airplay chart"
      • Honestly, I have lost complete track of which link is which because the numbers have changed since I edited them. I clicked on the link and it brought me to the correct page: the BB AAA chart history for Harris.
• Source 87 (NPR) "Harris and Mark Knopfler (formerly of the band Dire Straits) spent seven years writing and recording songs which would make up their collaborative studio effort All the Roadrunning." If this is mentioned in the recorded interview, please, indicate the time when it is said
  • well I had to sort of guess because it does not show the time on the screen. I said "circa 1 minute in"
• Source 88 (EW) "Their original intention was to record songs that would be featured on their solo material. However, Knopfler and Harris realized their recordings could work as duets for a collaborative album together" It is not immediately assumed. The source says, "Yeah, the first couple of tracks we did were slated for [his] Sailing to Philadelphia. Those were ”Donkeytown” and ”Red Staggerwing,” and I just did a sort of traditional overdub. And I suppose Mark, in listening back to them, felt there might be the seeds of a whole project, so he kept them off the record with the idea of maybe trying some more things at a later time."
• Source 89 (norwegiancharts.com) → it says "norwegian charts.com" instead
• Source 90 (The Washington Post) |url-access=subscription
• Source 93 (The San Diego Union-Tribune) is a dead link. Even the archive link goes nowhere. Even the real archived link (https://web.archive.org/web/20230820225541/http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080731/news_1w31emmylou.html) is dead
  • Thanks I removed it.
• Source 95 (NYT) |url-access=subscription
• Source 98 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 100 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 104 (Vanity Fair) |url-access=subscription
• Source 105 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 106 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 118 (Los Angeles Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 122 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 126 (The Canberra Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 130 (The Washington Post) |url-access=subscription
• Source 131 (Chicago Tribune) is a dead link
  • Nothing has changed
    • Now it has
• Source 134 (Stereogum) → the quotation is unneeded
• Source 136 (Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette) is Source 133
  • Nothing has changed
    • Where? I am not seeing this? Can you change it if you see it? I am missing this. Looked over it several times and still can't find it.
• Source 137 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 140 (The Sydney Morning Herald) |url-access=registration
• Source 141 (The Atlantic) |url-access=registration
• Source 142 (Tampa Bay Times) |url-access=registration
• Source 146 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 147 (The New York Times) |url-access=subscription also ALLCAPS
  • Nothing has changed
• Source 157 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 160 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 163 (Vanity Fair) |url-access=subscription
• Source 164 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 165 (Big Bear) is a dead link
  • Nothing has changed
    • Fixed
• Source 166 (Baltimore Sun) is a dead link
  • Nothing has changed
    • I changed it, but in attempt to put this "subscription" code into the URL I messed up the whole thing.
• Source 169 (CMT) is a dead link
  • Changed
  • Nothing has changed
• Source 173 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 174 (Under the Radar) is a dead link
  • Nothing has changed
    • I just checked it twice. It works.
• Source 176 (Rolling Stone) |url-access=subscription
• Source 178 (Los Angeles Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 179 (The Guardian) is written as "the Guardian"
  • Nothing has changed
• Source 180 (Kentucky Fried Cruelty) → Is there no better source than PETA?
  • Correct. No better source. PETA is verifiable enough I think.
• Source 182 is a dead link and it is missing its author
  • Nothing has changed
    • I think it's now source 180? I removed it.
• Source 185 → ALLCAPS
  • Nothing has changed
• Source 186 (Sydney Morning Herald) |url-access=registration
• Source 190 (The Washington Post) |url-access=subscription
• Source 191 (The New York Times) |url-access=subscription
• Source 190 (The Washington Post) |url-access=subscription
• Source 196 (The New York Times) |url-access=subscription
  • I can't help you with the subscriptions. I have subscriptions to all of these, so please trust they are accurate.
    • I didn't request your subscriptions. I requested the links to be tagged as registration/subscription with the attached code. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• Article on hold. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• • @Tbhotch: Okay, phew that was a lot. But I think I got through all of your edits. Please note I did the best I possible could with making the required changes. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks. I'll review them in a few hours (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• @ChrisTofu11961: There are a few things to solvem including some dead links. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Tbhotch: I think I got through most of the errors and removed the dead links. I have never been asked to enter the code "url-access=subscription" into a URL. I have spent nearly 15 minutes trying to add them only to get error notifications. Is there any way you can these? Or can we just leave as is? Wiki-specific codes are hard for me to understand sometimes, sorry in advance. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• I ask for them due to accessibility reasons. I added them. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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